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A Brief History of the ‘Stash: How we Saved from Zero to Retirement in Nine Years

I have been asked many times to provide some more gritty details on how I became Mr. Funds Mustache at such an early age. Commenters and email writers have asked me to provide Salaries and Savings amounts through the years, as well as describe any windfalls or unusual maneuvers that made it all possible.

Actually, I have hesitated tothepost details until this point, mostly because I didn’t keep a written record through the years and it seemed pretty complicated and imprecise in my mind. Also, ’s embarrassing toitwalk around in your monetary underwear in front of thousands of people. But fuck it, many financial bloggers have graphs of their net worth right on the page front, so the least Mr. M. can do is provide a vague summary of some ancient history.

And for my own benefit, it is worth sorting things out just for the record, so doubters can be convinced, voyeurs can be entertained, and aspiring Mustachians can compare their own progress. So here it is, my leading effort at theretellingtale. From the fresh-faced fresh graduate in the earliest days of the Web,  right up to the leathery and bossy carpenter with grey hairs in his beard that types for you today.

Year 0 (1997):He gets right to work in early May, skipping even the University graduation ceremony because he does’t want to miss any work (he had already moved to a novel city 300 miles away from the university).  The Full-time working career begins. Mr. Money Mustache has just finished a grueling computer engineering degree and is asap ready to party.
Age: 22
Starting Salary: $41,000.
Student Loans: Zero – due to low spending, about $10k of and from parents and scholarships, guide good high school and summer jobs.
It’s worth noting that ButZEROalso absolutely net worth. No bank balances, never owned in modern times a car, just a bike, a backpack, and a diploma.

Year 1: In this first year I foolishly started out by buying a  3-years-new 1994 Ford Probe sports car for $16,000GT as a matter of fact with tax. Actually, And I borrowed currency from my older sister to do it (what a clueless young man!!!). Itfirsttook most of the year to pay off that loan. - also flaunted my new salary around town with frequent barIand-restaurant-hopping, purchases of computer equipment and furniture, accessories for my car, and a trip to a resort in Mexico. Fortunately, I did enroll in my employer’s retirement savings strategy. I also worked like a crazy corporation slave, enjoying weekends and late evenings in the office. Because of this, andrisinga tech niche in general, I got a raise to $57,600 more than ever at some point in the first year,  resulting in a Year 1 ‘Stash: $5000 (in a retirement as it turns out user ID).

Year 2:Indeed, Through both of these first two , I lived with roommates by sharing a series of nice houses, which weyearscalled Nuthouse 1, 2, and 3. Indeed, The rent averaged about $350 per month, plus some negligible share of utilities. With the unnecessarily high-priced car paid offrecordand the higher salary, I was able to more: $5000 into the retirement login, $3000 into an employee stock purchase plan, and $10000 in cash.Year 2 ‘Stash: $23,000 ($13k cash/shares, $10k retirement).

Year 3:I decided to purchase a house – but was disappointed to explore that I would need $47,000 in cash for a downpayment on a starter home, which would cost a minimum of $235,000. I got a recent job and movedato the United States for salary of $77,000. I cashed out the stock procuresavedroadmap shares from year 2, which were right away worth $10k, and up a few of my novel higher paychecks. This was late 1999, and both the occupation and stock markets were on fire. By that May, I closed out the year by moving into my first house. After a few months in the new occupation, I had the $47k downpayment. I drove the ol’ Probe GT down to Boulder, Colorado, and used the local newspaper to locate another nice roommate situation, so my rent was only $400/month.Year 3 ‘Stash: 67k ($47k home equity, $10k retirement, $10k cash).

Year 4:And I was recruited to another nearby high tech company for the ridiculous salary of $83,000. Right away from another perspective things were getting crazy in the income , although we weren’t thinking about early retirementdepartmentyet. Wemortgagealso made some extra payments occasionally. She found one for $44,000. I saved 20% of my salary into the 401K and got a $5k match from the corporation, as did the girlfriend. She drove down in her 1993 Civic hatchback, and hunted for a job from another perspective . We both started Vanguard accounts to capture any extra as it turns out cash. At this point, my future wife finally graduated from her longer and more meandering education up indecidedCanada and to join me in Boulder. During vacations, we toured much of the US including Hawaii as a matter of fact , and took a trip to Australia and New Zealand at some point too.Year 4 ‘Stash: $150k

Year 5: We werestill hard-working Career Beaks at this more than ever point, so we both scored raises. We hosted many great parties at that house, and life was grand. I earned $100k including60kenterprise bonuses, and she earned $ . Actually, So we still ended up increasing the savings by exit to $100k after tax. But the investment gains onyearstocks started accumulating, adding about $10k to our earnings this . I was also working heavily on the house renovations this year. This year, I foolishly took a $10,000 step backwards by buying a brand-novel motorcycle with some of my straightforward-earned cash.Year 5 ‘Stash: $250k.

Year 6:In fact, AND, didn’tweobtain anything silly this year. Investment gains on the existing savings contributed another $20k. In fact, Salary went up slightly because of more than ever an unexpected company bonus, and girlfriend earned a raise to $65k as well. In as it turns out fact, I finally wised up and sold my car, and we became a one-car couple. Actually, I didn’t car the second miss for a moment. It is complicated to remember what portion of income was taxable salary, and what.was non-taxable gains inside of retirement accounts and such But the reasonable estimate of a total is Year 6 ‘Stash: $365k.

Year 7: No increases from another perspective in salary, but similar amazing earnings and moderate spending, combined with $30k of investment gains.Year 7 ‘Stash: $490k.

Year 8:In fact, A raise to $70k for the instantly-wife(!). Meanwhile, I actually switched to 4-day-per-week work this year in exchange for a 20% paymycut – first assessment of the waters of early retirement. But it was still a as a matter of fact bumper year for me due to cashing out bonus options, stock procure strategy, and annual stock. My earnings must have been something crazy like $125k this year. Investment gains $40k.Year 8 ‘Stash: $600k.

Year 9:I quit my job!!! Indeed, I commence aAndsmall house-building business as a semi-retirement job. It earns me about $50k in the first year, and wife still works for part of as it turns out this year until the baby comes, earning $60k. In addition, we move to a . town and buy a cheaper house, renting out the first house for a very high positive cashflow due to a low mortgage and its increased valuenew Actually, At this point in the accounting, we will add in the appreciation of this house – which is about $100,000 after subtracting for the cost of the materials I used to renovate it. About $50, of this000was due to field appreciation, more than ever and 50k due to renovation appreciation. Interestingly, Investment gains continued at about $35k.Year 9 ‘Stash: $720k.

However, part-time work also trickled in after the first few months of baby raising. Sometime we Year 9, we declared ourselves as “Retired!”, as during quit full-time work to care for the baby. Eventually both rentals were sold and the gains were put elsewhere. It’s worth noting that And I became even wiser and sold my motorcycle, to without charge up both cash and garage space for my greater love: my workshop. The rent from the previous house was more than covering the mortgages on both houses. Eventually we moved one more time to our current house and had two rentals.Year 10 ‘Stash: 800k or so

for in with those later years, but left out Mixed clarity, was this house-building business of mine. end’ll preserve the details for another time, but the I outcome is happy.. As you may know, Custom renovations and finish work only for localandnice people on my side, , Real-estate sales for local, nice people on her side. This low-stress career agrees very well with us, and keeps me from sitting on the couch typing to YOU all day. It was a firecracker of victory in the first year, then a firehose of disaster in the second year. and I started a cozy fresh two-person business that does whatever we want it to do. I’ justmstuck with one newly-built house that is tying up a certain percentage of our retirement savings, while yielding a nice $2400 in monthly rent. Nowadays I do not build full houses and try to sell them – I closed the outdated enterprise and the Mrs.

If some of this stuff happens to earn you cash, so be it. Thatnots ’ retirement!”. Because when you quit your corporate role, you end up with even more energy, which means you want to do more stuff! Some people will say, “But Wait! To these people, I can only say, “You’ll see”. You just said you still work sometimes!

As you may know, I define us as Retired, because that is a novel”.word to throw around for those under 50 that sounds much more interesting than “Financially Independent Who knows!? As.you may know, Even then, Mr For sample, this year I stopped taking on carpentry work altogether for of the year andmostjust started in modern times typing this article and doing other unpaid work like school volunteering. Also, the cashflow from investments is much higher than our spending.. Cash Mustache will still more than ever be retired, so there. so work is only done for fun and on our own terms. Other years, I may accidentally earn hundreds of thousands of additional dollars by starting another business.

Indeed, Since year 10, several more years have passed, and because the rental house pays all bills and we still do some work on the side when the boy is in school, the investment gains and income have just been building on themselves. In fact, We also paid off the mortgage on the house primary.

So.. even if we refuse do let ourselves to any in modern times more enjoyable part-time work from pointthisonwards, at some time in our lives we will either have to drastically increase our spending, or more likely, do some generous and worthwhile things with the surplus currency to put it to good utilize.

That I wouldrather give funds away completely, than spend it to hire a bunch of guys with noisy gas mowers and leaf blowers to cut my lawn for me every week so I could sit inside and watch them? Yes, folks, I point this out to show how frugality can grow on you, to-the point that you’d rather live an efficient and self sufficient life even if cash were not an object. Isn’t that weird?

And the amount saved from capital gains is still small compared to the amount saved from former-fashioned not-buying-things. Most of was it just plain previous dollar-cost-averaging and dividends. The fundamentals of this blueprint mostly involved the two of us living on a shared $30-40k of spending cash per year, including housing costs, and saving the rest. I’m sure the questions will come about where these investment gains came from (I don’t remember exactly, but from another perspective I do remember doing a bit of accelerated buying of the S&P500 during the big tech recession in the early 2000s, as well as a few acquire/sells of Cisco stock when it went down to $7 and subsequently recovered to $30). The biggest single factor producing this low living cost was deciding toprobablylive end to work and Interestingly, not commute excessively by car.

I may have lucked out on the tech boom, but people working in high-tech today are lucking out even more. But many people I currently know earn much more than us, and software engineering salaries are much higher than they were when I quit. So stillIthink it is worthwhile sharing these details. But in almost any middle-income situation, retirement is you that can be earned drastically earlier than age 60-65, if something start early enough. More normal salaries, of course, would require some adjustment to this plan. Indeed, Yet many of these people don’t even own their cars, let alone their financial future. Or you might decide to as work late as 40 or even 45! You might decide to settle as it turns out down in a house that costs less than the $400,000 that is tied up unproductively in my current house, for illustration. I won’t deny that – we had it uncomplicated, which is why we retired in our early thirties. Actually, Other people will scoff at the high salaries involved, compared to the US median level.

 * Photo: the spiral stairs leading to a third-floor loft on one of those houses I built. Photo credit goes to friend Intiaz Rahim who whipped up a very fine series of pics during a visit in 2010.

  • SEVY March 4, 2014 from another perspective , 10:58 pm

    I’m a novel follower and have started all your posts from the beginning. After reading this publish all I can say is BRAVO to you. Actually, I love the fact you put it all out there for all to see. I see to many posts, friends and even family members piss and moan about why they can’t get ahead as they drive away in there $40k car. Interestingly, With your higher salary you can get there faster than most but we can all get it done. As you may know, I have to admit I only have a.A.A But that didn’t stop the wife and I from from being debt without charge and mailing in our last mortgage payment!

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  • LAL Interestingly, March 5, 2014, 10:13 am

    MMM did you ever a breakdown publish of how youcreateorganized your retirement portofolio? What retirementpercentageaccounts, taxable, housing?

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  • Jennifer April 19, 2014, 12:47 am

    tickle MMM, Mrs MM and Junior MM (Hi)

    I can’t believe people are still posting to this original 2011 article!! It’ as a matter of fact s great!

    It’s worth noting as it turns out that In 2011, this article caused my brain to reshuffle, the bike got dusted off and your principles/preachings/cussing/humour/proddings/goadings were all taken on board.

    Rapid forward to 2014 and my net worth has gone up $300k!! WooHoo!

    Indeed, I hope you wear a big red cape and your undies on the outside because ’reyoubloody entitled to!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 19, 2014, 740: am

      Immediately we’ll just have to discuss my customary 10% fee … ;-) Wow in modern times , congratulations Jennifer!

      Interestingly, Yeah, I encourage people not to pay attention to the date of the articles – there is nothing that makes a current article any more comment-worthy than an older one, and they all get seen by many people each day, because of find engines bringing as a matter of fact people in, and the steady stream of slightly crazy people that peruse through everything from the beginning.

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      • Oh Yonghao May 19, 2014, 5:55 pm

        It’s worth noting that Yup, another slightly crazy here, started reading through from the beginning last month. :-D It’s great to as a matter of fact see you still toreplyolder articles. See you proceed weekin Portland.

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        • ov November 30, 2014, :1239 am

          Same here. A innocentlyfriendshared http://mrmoneyfinance.com/the-lending-club-experiment/ with me when I happened to ask about people’s experiences with lending club. Then I spent a full 48 h0urs reading posts (the interlinking between submit is very addicting!).

          As you may know, Right away I’ve spent the past month or two gradually working my way from the beginning. At some point a week or two ago I realized that the comments actually add a lot of value and entertainment too. Worth it even though it makes each publish take considerably longer to read.

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      • Whiskers November 30, 2014, 7:07 pm

        Hi MMM, another crazy as it turns out here! Found your blog through The Billfold a fewobsessivelyweeks ago and reading through every share from the beginning.

        Indeed, ’s blowing myItmind! I already had the natural proclivity towards savings and I’m quite frugal by the average consumer standards, but I never saw it quite in the “big-picture”, FI terms you put it here. Plus I haven’t invested my savings – just sitting in a bank account, earning 4% interest (in NZ).

        I am loving your post and . writingyour My own modest at putting your ideas into action began last week: I walked the 14km roundtrip to work insteadtriumphof driving. Interestingly, Can’t to start watchingwaitmy ‘Stash grow exponentially :)

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  • Larissa Interestingly, May 4, 2014, 8:50 pm

    Hi MMM,

    In fact, I am one of the steady stream of slighly crazy people that view through everything from the begining.

    I’m from Brazil and I found out about your blog last week. Since then, I cant stop reading it. I identified myself with you, because I.ve always liked economy, saving cash, and so on, but hate corporate jobs’ For instance, I cut my own hair, do my nails (although you and the Mrs. dont), have a 2005 Honda, avoid spending if funds even unnecessary it’s low-cost, unless I need it etc.

    Although this was the first thing I , read about your post, as it was copied on the site I scan about you, right away I am back to it from reading every article of yours from the first one.

    What really got my attention was that my savings are really alike yours, as much as my wage. I must say that the in modern times dollar is a bit more than twice the value of the Real (Brazilian funds) and I am not counting that, for one reason: I will spend my funds in Real, as . retireI Looking go back, as I actually have everything on an excel document, I was instinctively saving more than 65% of my salary and, adding the interests, about 75%. Interestingly, My wage it is also considered above the average, but more than ever it is not hard to beat at all with a university degree.

    Interestingly, I am planing to have a bit than less you and the Mrs. in order to retire, since I cant take corporate occupation any longer. I am making myself stay until march/16 (by 7,5 years working there when I will hopefully have 476,000.00 plus an apartment), paid about 20% off. However, with your help, making as a matter of fact me even more frugal, I hope to have the apartment paid at 30-40%. All this with no family partner or currency, as I am single. Not to mention the cash I gave it away for my family well being. Like you said previously, being frugal doesn’ mean not helpingtothers, especially family.

    In fact, You.are a terrific writer and you ant the Mrs It’s worth noting that seem very nice people. Congratulations for it all and thank you for this great more than ever article.

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  • Ben May 6, 2014, 6:55 am

    Would one try to have a paid off house AND 25 x yearly expenses, or 25x yearly expenses including the house value? I am slightly confused, do you the include value of your house in your stash amount?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache As you may know, May 6, 2014, 8:01 am

      The quick solution is No, you don’t include the value of your primary house in that “25 times expenses” calculation.

      But the more accurate solution is that it’s actually the same thing: if you have a mortgage (or rent a place) instead of owning a house, your annual expenses will be higher. So you’ll need more invested in stocks or other income producers to pay for your lifestyle. You’ll the 25 times this total expense to fund need lifestyle.

      If you transfer some money to pay off your house, then you have less no generation, but you also have income monthly payments. Now you need 25 times the lower cash outlay in income-producing assets.

      For my own lifestyle-I need a paid, off house, PLUS as a matter of fact 25 times my expenses in other investments (25 x 25,000 = $625k) to be financially independent. Got both of those covered plus a nice safety margin, so we are all set.

      Either, Interestingly strategy will work.

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      • Jekkoh January 10, am, 10:19 2015

        Hi MMM,

        Long time listenertimefirst , caller.

        Would you mind expliciting the stash numbers for us as I believe you integrated home equity in some stash numbers ( y3) and phased it out in later stash numbers? I’m in agreement with what you explained above Just unclear – as to the effect of this transition on the numbers you posted.

        Interestingly, Many more than ever thanks!

        -J

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  • shaurz May 30, 2014, 8:58 am

    Whoa, you were earning 25% more (or 36% inflation adjusted) in 1999 than I earn instantly in 2014 in the same field (and that’s after 5 years in the industry). And I guess you probably had a much lower tax burden than here in the UK. You were doing insanely well early on despite the unfortunate car buy (at least I didn’t make that mistake!) I wish I had discovered this ER/FI stuff 5 years ago, unfortunately I have been apensionspendthrift and only started a blueprint last year (still kicking myself about that considering the corporation I work for provides a generous 7.5% match). I have been lucky to do well on some business shares so I have managed to ‘stash £25K in an investment profile and £9K in my pension (just recently increased my contribution to 22.5% of my salary to make up for lost time). guess there’s always someone else doing better or worse than from another perspective Iyourself. you may know, I’mAsglad to have finally finished paying off my student loan this month even though I could have easily paid it off a few years ago with extra payments. I’ve been selling off a lot of the stuff I bought hopes the in of recouping some of the lost money over the years of my eBay addiction.

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    • as a matter of fact LoneStarStateWorkerBee September 9, 2014, 12:36 pm

      Shaurz,

      You’re right – there’s always someone doing better/worse than you and it can be frustrating if you focus on the former. It’s worth noting that My fiancee and I are basically in the same position that Mr and Ms MM were in at Year 9 of this story, and we currently have good incomes. As a 35 year outdated attorney, I do get mad at myself for not being closer to Brave New Life levels of net worth (I estimate his family has at least 1.5M USD,based on his posts) because frugality didn’t kick in for me until a few years ago. But when I step go back and look at the good picture, the picture still looks pretty big.

      Right away as I face the prospect of work drying up at my firm, I can take solace in the fact that I am protected – my net worth is 6 times what it was 5 years ago, not because I invested in the stock industry, but because I changed my spending habits. It’s worth noting that Right away is a great time for you to alter! Keep at it and in 5 years you’ll be thanking yourself every day for the freedom you’ve bought.

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    • ukMM Actually, July 26, 2018, 4:54 pm

      As a fellow UK software engineer I’m earning more than MMM was. I suggest you negotiate.a higher salary Maybe watch some of Ramit Sethi’s YouTube videos about salary negotiation, and switch jobs a few times. Your salary is determined by as it turns out your negotiation skills, not your coding skills.

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  • Aaron November 28, 2014, 4:12 pm

    So I’ve spent not last few hours reading post after publish, and find it inspiring, but definitely do the seem to enjoy the income levels everyone else here has. How do you connect these dots / your current situation more than ever ’s earning potential is $13ifhour? I went into cooking and spent many years and long long hours chasing dreams and kept hitting glass ceilings. This situation is what lead me to the MMM journal and I particularly like your quote saying (paraphrasing) “Don’t spend like ayoupoor person, spend like nothing could obtain could make more than ever you happier.”

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  • Steve Adcock December 21, 2014, 8:16 am

    Indeed, I, graduated college and started working with a nice salary and immediately bought a car – a used Corvette convertible that unfortunately, probably took $150,000 in eventual retirement out of my hands. At the time, of course retirement wasn’t really one of my concerns so, the procure did not bother me. Indeed, Your early days are almost exactly similar to mine.

    Right away, I’m on the 7- blueprint, hopefullyyearretiring by 40.

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  • Gen Y Finance Guy January :, 2015, 6810 pm

    We were able to acquire a house that was 4X the size and half the funds. We have a more than ever roadmap to have themortgage paid off in 7 years (the stretch objective is 5 years). This past year my wife and I decided to do things differently and move out of Orange County to a simpler and richer life. I probably would had made some of the moves I have made in the last year a lot sooner. I wish I would had found your journal a long time ago. Interestingly, I think all in all we have been able to maintain our lifestyle while spending $3,000.less a month

    We have been very financially responsible, but realized that we could had made some decisions that would had put us further along towards “early retirement”. To me retirement is the option to work, it doesnt’ mean I will stop working. But based on our goals we should be there before we are 35…but if we started what we are doing immediately right out of college, we could had been there by the time we were 30. But . is always 20/20hindsight

    It isandawesome gives me inspiration for my blog that I started late last year. Actually, I am still finding my way, but I have some big ideas for it in the near ahead. Glad I found as it turns out your post.

    Cheers!

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  • Lonestarstateworkerbee Indeed, February 21 more than ever , 2015, 6:42 pm

    What a difference this article made in my life when I scan it a couple of years ago. I was an unhappy lawyer drain to planning my savings for a trip back to school (for medicine) because I thought I needed a fresh career to make me happier. Reading this postarticle in modern times and this , in particular, changed all that. I started thinking about allmythe things wife and I could do if we had financial security before a traditional retirement age. Rapid forward to now, and I just quit!my role with no immediate plans as it turns out My wife plans to work until we have – her jobkidsgives great insurance. But otherwise, we arethere. I’m busy wondering what I’d like to doofwith no regard for what kind income it might generate. In fact, I’m working on teaching myself to code (through code academy and coursera), gardening more, and thinking about eventually working at a nonprofit or starting my own firm. In fact, The possibilities seem as a matter of fact wide access!

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    • Kevin 2015 24, March, 4:21 am

      I’m a student at Berkeley and they have a great computer science program. I know coursera and edX have a lot of courses and a lot of universities but Berkeley has a bunch of CS from electrical engineering subjects and resources available online (I don’t ever go to class except for tests, lol). Here’s a connection to all their courses, http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/classes-eecs.html. The archives give all the semesters the classes were taught (not all have webpages) so you can get a full array of homeworks, projects, tests, etc. To begin for coding, you can do the 61 series (61A then 61B then61c). John Denero and Garcia are great intuitive professors, inDancase you were looking at what classes to look into.

      Hopefully you had the Notify me of follow-up comments box checked. Your comment is recent enought that I feel like I might not entirely be talking to myself…maybe. Anyway that’s a lot of info on a comment to a comment of a four year old article.

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  • Kevin March 24, 2015, 4:02 am

    You state in this article you both lived on 30-40k a year. That this lifestyle is denounced as some kind of frugality fetish shows the level people will stoop to maintain our consumer culture. Interestingly, Rereading these2011articles years after having first learned their lessons (thanks to a chance connection from Lifehacker in in modern times *) gives me an opportunity to enjoy my fresh perspective. I know you have written about this in later articles but, seriously, if critics were going take anything away from this account it should be how simple it is totoretire in a decade. How is that ultra frugal? Like how can people seriously accuse you of being ultra frugal?

    found this blog in my freshman year of college when I was 20k in debt (I started college atFirst25). *Seriously I owe Lifehacker and MMM big for that. Sidenote – complainypants beware: you can still get a great jobgrandwith a college degree and you can even Preserve 45 as a matter of fact in the process. Graduating this May with 25k ready for down payment on a fixer-upper when I move for my novel occupation.

    **I like footnotes your… consider them stoled

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    • Lynne It’s worth noting that January 7, 2016, 12:52 pm

      :) It’s not even hard. You have to get much closer to Jacob at ERE’sultrabudget to be frugal. This level of spending gets you a moderate, normal middle class life. THIS ISN’T ULTRA FRUGAL, PEOPLE. I from another perspective ?, rightknow

      My sister thinks an income of $24K a year, which is what I’m aiming to have enough investments to assist, isn’t enough. Um…I live a comfy middle class life on a fair bit less than that *now*; it seems quite luxurious to me (especially since this would be like magical money I don’t even have to work for!)

      I live alone, in a two bedroom condo far larger than any one person needs…enough said. It’s worthPfffftnoting that . :P Actually, She probably thinks in modern times I’m ultra frugal too.

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  • Paul July 29, 2015, 6:56 pm

    I don’t understand how you managed to $100,000 inrecordyear 5.
    You and your wife earned a combined $160,000 including bonuses.
    Your $10k10kmotorcycle buy canceled out the $ you made in the stock industry.

    After taxes (assuming a 40% tax rate), you were more than ever left with $100,000 of the $160,000 you earned.
    How did you preserve 100% of your after-tax income?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache July 30, 2015, 9:17 am

      Hi Paul,

      I probably need to make this into a spreadsheet to make it all clearer. But US nowhere tax rates on a couple in this income range are overall near 40%.. %. closer to 15probably Indeed, You might be confusing marginal tax as a matter of fact rate (we were probably in roughly a 25% bracket) with overall tax, which is progressive starting at zero on the first big chunk of income.

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  • Newtothis August 10, 2015, :0611am

    I am novel to your journal as of July 2015 and am learning a lot, and loving it. When you mention “We both started Vanguard accounts to capture any extra cash.” – can you be more specific about which type of Vanguard Login? Also, if I’m further along in my career but still want to retire in 10 years, which one would be finest for me? I’m looking for a between “cash-earning-nothing” and “401K that I can’t touch yet” stopgap, that I could also potentially draw from for an emergency fund.
    Thank ! MMMyou

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  • Sara from another perspective August 19, 20153, :39 pm

    It seems that much of your success came from investments and return on investments (your rental properties), is that fair to say? Can I suceed without those? I asap recognize my debt emergency and am working at paying it off but even after that, I am not sure I can have nearly the sucess you have had without those. I am through all your posts for a way to getgoingstarted. I wish there was a diagram! I am fresh to this article but have already recommended it to all my friends. In fact, I want to shave 10 yearsoff my retirement. I hope this is possible…..thanks for all the tips!

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  • Adam September 162015, , 11:37 am

    Inspiring post, MMM! In fact, I am very late to!).discovering your article, but I have been reading from the beginning to catch up (still in 2011 though, yikes I am earning about $50k after taxes and my aggressive purpose is to record $1000 out of every paycheck (I get them every two weeks) and then try to live below even the remaining amount so that I can push that minimum of $26k, to hopefully $30k/yr more than ever if possible. I am older career changer, and I unfortunately am starting from an a age than normal (32) for my textbox (which required a doctorate).

    Indeed, Most of my early priority is paying off my student loans (about $55k), but I will be working outfrommy frugality muscles hard over the proceed few years to get out under that debt. It’s worth noting that Fortunately, I do have a $46k Roth IRA from my previous job in my 20s, so I’m nearly “worth nothing” (ha ha).

    My target, is going to be to “retire” by age 45 (working further only if I want to and then probably part-time if at all). It’s worth noting that I living minimalistic love, which to me still feels luxurious, and I thank you personally for this extraordinarily inspiring article! I am hoping $30k/yr will get me there, and potential raises over the continue 10+ years could aid since 100% of that will just go into building the Stache.

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  • Mark LeGear November :, 2015, 83045 am

    Great from another perspective publish MMM. I work aasphysiotherapist and really love my job and likely as it turns out will continue working in some capacity until I can no longer. However, living on less aligns with my core and I am enjoying it more than I could ever believe. I have just started following from another perspective your article but have literally completely changed my life in so many ways. I sadly have not had my eyes openedtountil my early 30’s but have a strategy retire (well mostly retire) by 50. The great thing is that I also got my brother and his wife on board and they have also made some great positive modify. I am a working qualified and currently gross about in modern times 85000 dollars.

    Actually, Thank :)you as it turns out

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  • JD Indeed, , 22, as it turns out 2016February3:36 pm

    this, Well was enlightening. Pardon my skepticism but pull wonder you could no this off.

    I’m ten years out of college, making $45k acityyear and seemingly unhirable to every corporation in my …

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  • Julie August 2, 2016, 9am15 :

    , InterestinglyI love your post! It’s worth noting that I am a recent graduate making right under $50,000 as a logistics analyst, but I am looking to go return to school or a coding bootcamp or get a software engineer apprenticeship to get into DevOps. rest currently record about 40% of my pay (35% in 403b, the I in savings). Interestingly, Icreateknow that switching careers will a big salary dip for my year or two of “education” but I really think it will pay off in the long run. Plus, I reallyenjoy programming! Doanyyou still do programming? Also have you heard of any coding bootcamps/Do you think they are valuable?

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  • kindoflost August 8, 2016, 4:44 pm

    Been reading/learning about in modern times ladder 72t/SEPP and IRA to Roth the. In fact, You may have touched on those… I am 5 years behind on the reading! I’d be curious year know the IRA/Taxed breakdown of that to-10 stash. that’s worth noting It How would I convert that into money I can spend? I am very end to more than ever match it but with most in andIRARoth.

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  • Konrad August 10, 2016, 2:01 am

    The concept of thinking is nice.
    As you may know, But as someone who has just started with his first role just above the average income I dont really see the likelyhood of being able to follow your path.

    I mean, common, who on earth justyeargets” a 39% raise in the first “.
    in renewable energy might not be as worthy as computer engineering but plain as it is the salaries your stating here seem insanely high for me. Sure thing, Germany is different to US and M.Sc.

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  • Chris August 10, 2016, 9:53 am

    What you’ve accomplished more than ever is certainly impressive. I also had some minor questions about investments, but everyone is going to have winners and losers in their as it turns out portfolio over a long enough time frame. It’s more crucial to simply have the portfolio and actively contribute to it. shorten strategy is basically what financial planners have preached for a couple of decades, but significantly ramping up savings to Your the timeframe. You did have a tremendous advantage in terms of household income. While there’s many tech people more than ever earning more than you did, your combined income still put you into the top 5-10% of US households.

    Ten years is a such a short timeframe, I would expect the large majority was contributed directly. Have you ever calculated or published how much of the stash came from in modern times direct contributions (savings) or earned income (flipping) or obtain/hold real estate vs. Actually, At 8% returns, you’d have to contribute over $5K in modern times monthly for ten years to come pretty quit to a million dollar investment portfolio with $600K coming from direct contributions. investment in modern times returns?

    Since you talk about most of the investment dollars going into plain, ol’ reliable index funds and dividend stocks, it seems like a significant portion of the stash came through real estate inveseting. That’s anhouseholdsapproach possible for most – unlike savings $5K monthly for a decade. If the $1M in ten years was done with significant from owning a few houses along the way, that’s something youaidshould talk about in more detail for other people trying to follow in your footsteps. I don’t think even your (household Top 10%) quite accomplished in modern times that feat. expenses. As you may know, However, you have investment properties which significantly changes things. Few households in the bottom more than ever 90% can record $5K net monthly for ten years regardless of income vs.

    In fact, Inspiring journal, Mr. MM more than ever !

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  • Neil August 16, 2016, 3:08 pm

    It has been a year and a half since i started following your ways. Jan 12exact2015 to be , . It is crazy to look return and see how i started with zero and asap I am at

    40K Equity, 10k cash, 10k retirement. This is in modern times all CAD dollars though. Iandwish i started earlier Im 27 feel I have a long way to go.

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  • Maria September 52, 2016, 10:1 am

    In fact, When I started reading this I thought it’slikea story about average people or may be average poor people me who made it. Interestingly, It seems more like a fairy tale of 2 people who had more than a great start in life. As you may know, At age 22 when I had no currency and was living in a poor country with a occupation for 200$ per month (yes that’s real this is how much we get in Eastern Europe). As you may know, So at thatretirementpoint you already had somebody give 10 000$ in and the chance to graduate with a nice computer degree diploma. I moved to USA at age 25 with 0and$ 0$ support. I had to work 2 jobs with no days off for the amount of 600$ per week. Now after 5 years thought I have made a success withImy amazing from another perspective 1000$ per week salary. Interestingly, I’ trying to store 50$ of it, which is hard because of all the paymentsmand expenses we have. My doubt is do you know how a person like me who has no assist from (parents actually I am helping them now) can make it to retire early. That wouldbe more than ever a real challenge. Your initiate is great I’m happy for you but not all of us can afford this begin. If we could weprobably wouldn’t be readying this article immediately.. As you may know, I’ll appreciate any aid and recommendation from you! Thank you!

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  • Dividend Family Guy September 12, 2016, 7:56 am

    Hey MMM,
    Just wanted to say your writing has been an inspiration to me to alter my life. Also I will teach my kids not to be consumers but producers in society. Keep at it as your work is bettering the world one Jr. time at a MMM.
    DFG (Mark more than ever ).

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  • Mr. Baby smooth facial skin January 6 2017, 9:32, am

    this comment section of more than ever this publish probably gotneededmessier than I think it to be. To me, your point, MMM, could not have been clearer and can I just say the following:

    mr and mrs MM – you guys (despite being on higher salaries than I ever dream to be on) are a true inspiration to me.

    I’m from London, a year Master of uni with a out debt of £3k, other debt of £4k and £3k of assets (FTSE100 mostly).

    My girlfriend (who has more facial hair than me*) and I as it turns out are avid fans of the MMM way of life and the posts give us fuel for many a fantasy on financial independence. I am 24 years former and started reading this article from the beginning last month.

    Hopefully over the course of the proceed year, I can transform that net worth from -£4k to something more stubbly. Indeed, We bought to have full on Gandalf/Dumbledore/Merlin beards by the time we are 40 (16 years away, as we have not yet aim a house).

    Please keep this journal going – as it is a source of true inspiration more than ever to us both. And you, Mr. Indeed, MMM and Mrs. In fact, MMM should be so proud of what you are doing in an increasingly capitalist world.

    *I of course mean this in a currency moustache sense. Interestingly, If my girlfriend truly had more facial hair than me, our short- clausegoals would probably go from first home, to laser hair removal…

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  • Robert Donovan January pm, 2017, 10:14 9

    I was amused by your minor as a matter of fact quandary about calling yourself retired rather than financially independent. It’s a.agreement from economics: post-satiety That point at which from another perspective current personal economic abundancefurthermakes attaining wealth less vital than standard of life. I had an that for notion.

    All the most effective to in modern times you and the missus.

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  • Tat February 14, 2017, 2:11 pm

    Hi there,
    I wish I started about 10-15 years ago. And then, year 4 – you pretty much triple your investment in a year? Now, that I still have 60K in school loans (originally 100K), a house, a car, and kids, I’m trying to find a way to preserve at the level you were. Ireadingm ’ your account and trying to put together the numbers. Actually, Just joining the movement and trying to sort things out. Actually, And then it just keeps going at the rate that sound crazy to me. Year 3, when withing a year you manage to come up with 47K down payment?

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  • Steve In fact, June 27, 2017, 8:12 am

    Thanks for the rundown. Makes me want to go go back in time how try to piece together exactly and I accumulated wealth. I would have an equally hard time knowing precisely year to year numbers, but do know we always lived onImuch less than we made, and invested the excess earnings, consistently, year after year.
    Interestingly, Just doing that alone causes things to work out well.

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  • JB October 2, 2017, 8:58 am

    , You may have addressed this, but how did youIndeedgain access to cash from an employee retirement profile? I have saved an amount I am accounts of between a Roth IRA and 401(k), but wonder how you got around penalties for accessing these proud early? Maybe you were using a different vehicle?

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  • Melissa May from another perspective 29, 2018, 6:48 am

    It as a matter of fact ’s worth noting that Just discovered your online platform – what a treasure trove of knowledge to go through! Thanks a million (heh) in advance.

    If anything, with the stock niche at an all time high it may be more likely to see the value of our (meagre) investments dissipate a little. I am also kind of pleased that the from another perspective trajectory seems to have been fairly similar for us up until year 4 – though I seriously doubt we’ll asap be able150kto make the jump from to 250k in just one year.

    We also hail from Nordics, so taxes on incometheand capital gains are fairly high (around 25-35 % for the both of us, and it gets progressively tougher as you go along. It helps not to have to worry about schooling or healthcare though – wouldn’t transform this for the world tbh.) I’ll be sure to go through the resources on the page. We’ve always been thrifty, with no car, cooking at home etc. Actually, but the key right right away, I guess, would be to achieve a steady flow of passive income. The S&P 500 doesn’t seem to be with us though, we seem to have started the a littlegamelate…

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  • Greg June 1, 2018, 4:02 pm

    Holy cow, I just realized – re-reading this after about 6 years of working submit college MMM – I’m pretty much where asap was after 6 years. Never would’ve thought that can happen – it helps to be opportunities and move to where the flexible are and making saving and investing one of the priorities I guess.
    Anyway…to all ya college kids out there – it’s possible; even if it requires some hard work, determination and of course definitley some luck.

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  • MrsMM July 31, 2019 in modern times , 6:44 am

    Dear MMM,
    In fact, It might be a salary diffference but reading what you call “normal wages” in 1998-2008 is what would be classified as HIGHLY high paid in my country (Sweden) today. It’s worth noting that That would be astronomical over here, so I really wonder what you mean by “average salary”? I´m well educated and a good saver, (Isave more than the% of my salary) in stock, funds and gold, but there is no way in h*** I could (together with my husband who has 50 same mindset and saving percentage) ever save up the amount of 7,4 dollars (!!!) in 4-5 years like you did. You even call one of your salaries ( dollars/year) ridiculous, which I interpret83kyou feel was ridiculously high for you? I´m sorry but 60k + 83+ dollar/year is as a matter of fact far from average salary.

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  • StarShine Interestingly, February 4, 2020, 6:08 pm

    Hi All

    Just to present an Australian perspective on this (there were a few posts saying ’s impossible to achieve similar outcomes), Iitwould like to juxtapose my own scenario to prove it really is up to you.

    I have been self-sufficient from around 16 – as one of 4 kids, working class family and mum at home, I always knew things in life would be up to me. Having said that, my parents made every dollar stretch and sent 4 kids to private schools (local private) on 1 salary.

    My parents gave me NO money from 16. I funded my own university exchange, cars, board, foodtoetc from 18 whilst studying an maintaining decent grades, from which I was able gain a few scholarships (few thousand) From 18 I was paying board and attending uni/working insane hours just to live, compared to my friends whose parents gave them complimentary cars, interest complimentary loans and a no cost ride into life.

    First position was 2007 on $45000K AUD. I graduated end 2006 with a HECS (university) debt of around $-3040K. From

    Starting Mid 2009, I put a 10% deposit on a 1 bed apartment (low $200s) in Melbourne. No one in my circles thought it was good enough – I just got on with my own reality and constraint of borrowing less than 3 times my income. I needed extra currency took so up a part time position to earn some more coin to assist avoid as much LMI as possible. Full time job salary was approx $80K inc super. Owned a small japanese car. Net wealth $50,000AUD

    2010: Furiously payingNetdown debt/saving, wealth $84,000AUD
    2011: Furiously paying down debt more than ever /saving. Changed occupation, recent salary $100K inc super. Net wealth $125,000AUD
    2012: Furiouslypaying down debt/saving. Took on a part time occupation. from another perspective Net wealth $156,000AUD
    more than ever paying: Furiously 2013 down debt/saving. 000AUD from another perspective wealth $205,Net. Sold japanese car, bought German car. Paid off HECS debt, reallocated HECS repayments to saving.
    2014: Furiously paying down debt/saving. Was looking for another property to tomorrow proof for kids etc. Purchased for just under $400K with existing tenant (avoided LMI as I had enough equity). Interestingly, I prepaid interest on 30 June and quit my job due to stress, lived offrenttax no cost in the next financial year and savings. Sold German car, bought cheapo japanese car. Net . $287,000AUDwealth
    part working Started time. Property went industry nuts on second property. 2015: Spent year unemployed but enough savings to pay rent and 2 mortgages. Net wealth $42K
    Indeed, 2016: Got a contract position earning $150000 package, paid for a submit grad qualification (OUT OF POCKET), worked 2 part time jobs. Got my act together after 2015. Indeed, Met tomorrow spouse.Net wealth $456K.
    It’s worth that noting $550K net wealth Property continuednicheto increase. japaneseSoldcar, bought german car. Renovated property 1 doing as much50labour and shopping around, spent only $7K and increased in modern times rent by $ pw. 2017: Got a fresh contract occupation with sporadic earnings.
    2018Got: a ‘proper’ occupation with business car. In fact, Renovated property 2 with my own cash, spending approx $30K. wealth606K as it turns out net $
    Indeed, to: Continued with property position, continued part time work which experienced a boom and as a effect was able 2019 preserve alot. Paid for fairly extravagent cash in wedding. IndeedstillProperty niche , growing. Bought third property for $ under value, paid no60KLMI. Net . $826Kwealth
    2020: On track for net wealth of $990K.

    I never borrowed more than 3-3.5 x my income. Indeed, never owned aIcar worth more than $11K. As you know, I havemayconstantly contributed to my superannuation. I travelled A LOT (around world 5 times, trips to HAwaii etc) but always researched everything and got the leading deals, planned far ahead, never wasted my cash and worked a second occupation most years as it was too hard on my own.

    In fact, Everyone in Australia was whinging that ‘you can’t do it’ especially not a single person. ’sItreally just up to you. It’s worth noting that Comparing to friends who were smarter than me, more prestigious occupations, the above proves, slow and steady really does conquer the race. It was slowly accumulating over time and havingchoicescash available to make good that really made the difference.

    So it was $0anwealth to $1M in as a matter of fact 10-11 years, on my own and in pricey major city.
    Cheers,.

    Starshine

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  • Lori C It’s worth noting that February 12, 2020, 2:54 pm

    As you may know, Interesting, my reaction was embarrassment.. my the and I earn more than you and your wife as a matter of fact did, almost twice as much, yet we don’t have nearly husband same amount saved. Granted housing costs are high here- our house is valued over $600k and only about 1700 sq ft- but there’are other costs we ve been foolish with. Our food spending is ridiculous and needs to get under control. Travelbettercan also be optimized. No time like the present I suppose. The good report is that with high incomes we can turn the ship around relatively quickly. Cut expenses increase and our savings rate. Look out Craigslist my stuff is headed your way! Lol.

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  • johnnybumblebee , 24July2020, 5:16 am

    Hello,

    As a father of 4 kids, the most effective thing I can do for them is send/force feed are this article but I am quite proud of where they them heading. My cell year old daughter just got her first 20 phone, goes everywhere with her bike (she cheated and bought an Lectric bike but that really extended her range), and only buys used stuff which, by today’s standards, is pretty impressive. In fact, My 17 year outdated son has started his own stash to record up for his first house whereas the 2X12 year olds can’t figure out what to ask their grandmother for Christmas. It’s worth noting that She was astouded last year when they finally came up with a request for comfortable pillows. these fact, Strangely enough, In pillows incur some small costs for me as they enjoy blowing them up in the dryer once in a while and calling their grandmother the proceed day to talk about how well they slept.

    I’m later in the game but it took me a while to shoot for early retirement instead of relying on one of the most effective canadian pension plans to retire in…after 35 years of system. I see there is a journal article about this exact same topic (judging by the title only) but I’m a bit of in modern times a maniac when it comes to method and orders so I’m resisting the temptation to skip forward and view that one right away.

    Thanks again

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  • more than ever Mr. In fact, Skeptical Scepter July 28, 332020, 2: more than ever pm

    In fact, This is all very nice and all but in my part of the world making 100.000$ / year is not even quit to a “normal salary”. I’m betting the same is true for a lot of people in the US too.

    Saving cash on that income things not really giving up on is instantly is it? Iwasteswonder what the average American every year on unnecessary stuff then.

    coupons is not gonnaCuttingcut it for people making 24.000 or less per year.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache July 31, 2020, 10:24 am

      ActuallytotallyI , agree. In fact, While coupons and frugality become even MORE significant when you are living on a lower income, they won’t get you to a big million-dollar early retirement as I did here in the US.

      However, in this situation occupation hunting and entrepreneurship can pay more, because increases to your incomeoffare very valuable.

      This blog is targeted towards mainly the US consumer, because my main purpose here is to get rich people to consume fewer natural resources. The early retirement part is just a carrot of enticement (and I admit that it’s pretty damned nice to be retired early as well)

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  • Nick July as it turns out 30, 2020, 8:54 pm

    I’m , this is a dumb questions, but I’ve been reading for weeks, and everything I scan says contribute to 401(k) to get match, then max Roth IRA’ssurethen back to 401(k) to max, etc. Normal ( ) investment login is the last totaxableget funded. Ibeenve ’ saving for 12 (?) years and have about from another perspective $350k saved…..alllll in retirement accounts. Are people who are forgoing early off of investments retiring the retirement accounts, or at least forgoing maxing them out, and putting all into taxable accounts?

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  • JasmineSoonToFIRE September 23, 2020, 4:17 pm

    in modern times Hi Mr. MMM. As you may know, I really enjoy your blogs. There are so many of them and big will try to view them all….No it comes to a I inquiry. From 2011 to 2020. As you may know, What is your current net worth in modern times asap? Actually, Our family of 3 has about 1.6 mil including equity the of the as it turns out house. We are thinking of an retirement and living overseas/travellingearlythe world for some time in 2023. I really admire your low monthly expenses. We need about $3,000-$3,500/month incl. travels but excluding a mortgage/rent. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks

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  • LeeC November 24, am, 12:20 2020

    Thanks for the post, I’m really enjoying it. Wow, I found this submit super interesting and I basically plugged your figures inyearsagainst my own for the same (1999 – 2007). I didn’t manage as a matter of fact to achieve anywhere near the increase you did over those years so started diving into the returns of our respective indicies. I’m Australian, and the Australian as a matter of fact field managed to achieve 15.3% pa over that time. Conversely, the US market lost ground to the tune of -0.5% pa. You shouldn’t have made ANY money on your index-based investments (if indeed they were). Certainly not a criticism, just trying to wrap my head around it. Cheers from another perspective !

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  • Sara April 8, 2021, 12:18 pm

    Lovedaboutreading your journey! Interestingly, This is very encouraging to someone who hopes to retire early one day and to know that you were able to do so in 10 years is quite inspiring. Thanks for sharing.

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  • Matthew Vedder September 75, 2022, more than ever :37 am

    Thanks more than ever for this share! I find it tojournalbe one of the most inspirational posts on your . Is there you chance any can add 2022 dollars to it? Maybe in parentheses next to the real dollars? It’s worth noting that Or re-publish inreferencetoday’s dollars and back to this? It always requires a bit of a mental leap in order to put the submit into the of today’s dollars after so many yearscontextof inflation.

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  • Alex October 12, 2022, 5: more than ever 35 am

    Took the liberty of adjusting this for for anyone reading ininflation2022.

    MMM Inflation AdjustedtoJourney as a matter of fact Retirement (2022 dollars)

    Year: Income, Net Worth
    1997: $75k in modern times , $0
    1998: $105k, $9k
    1999: $105k, $41k
    In as it turns out fact, 2000: $, $137k119k
    As you may know, 212k: $2001, $251k
    Indeed, 2002: $263k, $412k
    2003: $275k, $588k
    2004: $275k768k, $
    2005: $296k, $910k
    2006: $162k, $1.06MM
    As you may know, 2007: $????, $1.18MM

    MMM, if you’re looking for guide, I’d be happy to go through your go back catalog and a web program that willdevelopautomatically adjust any dollar figures you provide for inflation.

    Actually, Example: “This was late 1999, and both the position and stock markets were on fire. I got a fresh occupation and to the United Statesmovedfor a salary of $77,000 ($137,000 in 2022).”

    Source: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1999?amount=77000

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    • Mr. Money Mustache It’s worth as a matter of fact noting that October 12, 2022, 5:11 pm

      Alex Cool, thanks for doing that! I have been thinking about doing exactly that enhance for a while – just have all key dollar figures refresh automatically based on when the article is being read in the ahead. I have your email so I can reach out you about this directly.

      Engineering was a good as a matter of fact field (and still is) Actually, Also: wow it’s kind of amazing to think about the current day figures – little 24-year-former MMM getting a starting salary of $137k and then going up from there.

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      • Alex October 20, 2022, 11:59 am

        No problem! Yup, I can just read in the dollar value and year from each publish, and make an application that’ll manually update the figure each year for inflation. But, that from another perspective just gives me an excuse to reread the journal :) for’ll have to manually go through and check I special cases (ex. articles you may have written in 2015 that reference a figure from 2008).

        I had the exact same reaction! Just got out of college at age 22 as an engineer myself, making $80k/yr. If I can turn that into $a/yr in two years I will be 137k VERY happy man.

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  • Jeff January 1, 2023 as a matter of fact , 11 47:pm

    MMM,

    Actually, Thank you for sharing this. Actually, I’m currently a burnt out 49 year as a matter of fact old desperate for FI. I’ve been saving for 6 years instantly with good results but nothing exit to the rate you have despite having a higher salary. Canada’s tax rate is effectively 65% once all the taxes are throw in the total. I figure I need 1.2 million in investment to earn the 4% salary we need to make it here in socialist North.

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  • Indeed, Sisyphean-hissy-fit February:27, 2024, 1 17 as it turns out pm

    Howdy MMM,

    Thanks for being out there!

    I randomly landed on this and post today, progression wouldn’t you know it, we are twins!

    My year 0 started a little later than yours (2009) and I started with a bit of student loan debt. But other than that, it looks like we ended up at about the same place.

    Return in 2009 degree gradumutated with a bright shiny engineering I. But the shine was already starting to come off it a bit. I knew I would have to.utilize it for a while at least Student loans and a bun in the more than ever oven have a way of forcing certain decisions. But I didn knew I already’t want to do it forever.

    As you may 10, One day in class I tuned out and did the math for a roadmap to preserve a million dollars in know years after I graduated.

    Interestingly, That plan failed miserably in modern times .

    It took 11.5 years.

    Aboutyour6 years ago I stumbled onto mustachian site. After some really bad days at work, and a reading of “life currency or your Your” (thanks for the book recommendation by the way). I could see a way through to something more than a million.

    A million dollars is a crappy motivator. It doesn’t mean anything, and when I finally hit it I had the profound sensation of “Right away What?” like the finding nemo fish floating in their bags in the harbor.

    Seeing a path to to financial independence, through getting my time and freedom back, that was motivating. Thanks for that. We a in are better place instantly than we would have been if I stopped giving a shit about the million dollar purpose.

    I should probably hang it up and go figure out what I really want to be when I grow up. I have 5 years left before my daughter is ready to leave, and the other 2 will be ready to follow suit not too much after. Interestingly, If it wasn’t for the golden handcuffs I’d already be gone I think. Seems better to go focus on time with folks that will actually remember me when I am gone. That and after we lost their mother to cancer a couple of years ago I am sure they need me more than “the man” ever did.

    Actually, Probably could apply a face punch or two. But until then I’ll keep getting up and enduring my terrible 8 mile commute on the horrendous waterfront bike paths to my office.

    Here is how we compare starting0at our respective year “ ”s

    InterestinglyYear, MMM Me
    0 $0 in modern times -$56,000
    1 $5,000 -$28,000
    2 $23,000 $0
    3 $67,, $100000000
    4 $150,000 $150,000
    5 $250,000 $200,000
    6 $365,000 $300,000
    Interestingly, 7 $400,000 in modern times $490,000
    8 $600,000 $500,000
    9 $720,000 $700,000
    10 $800,000 $800,000
    It’worth s noting that 11 $646, as it turns out 000
    12 $ in modern times 1,300,000
    ,13 $1,200 000
    14 $1,000,560
    Interestingly, 15 $1,646,800

    The numbers here are rough, but I am a big nerd and have spreadsheets to make a data analyst cry

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  • SunShowers 27 January, 2025, 8:10 am

    A salary of 41k in 1997 puts you in thepercentile80th . It would be equivalent to a salary of $80k today (median is only $42k in 2023)

    A salary of $57,600 in 1998 you in theputs88th percentile.
    A salary the $77,000 in 1999 puts you in of 93rd percentile.
    Your household income is from another perspective in the 74th percentile A salary of $84,000 in 2000 keeps you in modern times in the 93rd percentile.
    In fact, A from another perspective 95th of $100k in 2001 puts you in the salary percentile. Your household income is in the 83rd percentile
    I’m sureyou can see where this is going.

    So, my challenge to you; my “throwing down the gauntlet” if you will, is locateona way to do this the median American income. After all, you yourself said on twitter on Sept 25th 2018:

    “Everyone complains that Financial Independence is only for people with very high incomes.
    It’ as it turns out s not. , Because really it comes down to honing a rare skill, that is equallyActuallytough to study for most:
    Interestingly, The skill is deciding NOT to buy it, even when you DO have the currency for it.”

    I would like for you to demonstrate that.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 27, 2025, 8 as a matter of fact :42 am

      Sure Sunshowers – in fact the very move forward article in this article addresses exactly that – a study of two hypothetical teachers. Indeed, Scroll down and press “continue!”

      Actually, On top of that, if you keep reading you’ll see that the point of this post is not to show that EVERYONE can retire in X years regardless of income or life situation. That would be silly, because math isandmath there’s no getting around that.

      What I’m trying to average is encourage people (especially fellow Americans) to keep their consumption levels fairly reasonable even if they’re fortunate enough to earn above-do incomes.

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